Sunday, January 20, 2008

Re: Why is there order in the universe?

Duration: 07:30 minutes
Upload Time: 2008-01-06 21:59:56
User: ambassador1022
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Description:

I respond to randyhelzerman's video regarding localized regions of "order".

Comments

randyhelzerman ::: Favorites  2008-01-18 02:39:19

Thanks for the links FallibleFiend. I do agree there's never scientific justification for belief in god(s). Science has to do with the natural world, it can only investigate natural, not supernatural, phenomena.
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TheFallibleFiend ::: Favorites  2008-01-18 00:52:48

You might check out Thomas Schneider's pages at NCI, Richard Carrier's stuff at infidels dot org, and Brig Klyce's pages at panspermia dot com. I have not read Li and Vitanyi, but I'll put it on my list. There is never scientific justification for positing "superior beings."
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ambassador1022 ::: Favorites  2008-01-10 18:08:52

Lol I know.... it makes me stick out like a sore thumb :)
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StormCommander ::: Favorites  2008-01-10 17:56:25

lol, every time you're say the word "about" I can tell you're from Canada =D
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randyhelzerman ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 15:29:13

Nit picks are always welcome on my vids :-)
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broj8s8n79 ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 13:05:33

Another great video!!
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firstcor1313 ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 12:07:53

As I posted on his original response, that is a 11x11 array of bits. Yes, I'm a nit picker
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randyhelzerman ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 09:44:22

Ok amabassador1022, lets try again then: I didn't find veritas48's presentation of Craig's argument very persuasive at all. Why don't you give a video presentation of it, (or better yet, get Craig to come on YouTube and defend himself.) I'll give your argument a fair hearing. And if there's anything you don't understand or don't find convincing about my counter argument, I'd be happy to rephrase as well.
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randyhelzerman ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 09:38:28

(cont to ambassador1022) So I offered a second argument which gave a different mechanism for spontanious order, even in a heat-death situation. The second one seemed more appropriate given your background. And no, I"m not trying to come across as a condescending prick.....:-(
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randyhelzerman ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 09:37:21

Hi Ambassador, The main point of my vid was: yes, we can see lots of order (and low entropy, yes, I know the distinction) in the universe, but this does not mean that we have to postulate a superior being. My first argument wasn't persuasive to you (because, since you haven't read Li and Vitanyi, you don't know the strong and beautiful connections between random strings and thermodynamic entropy) (cont)
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ambassador1022 ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 09:18:51

"Its a different argument, but that doesn't mean its wrong :-)" Yes, but it IS a Red Herring :P.
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ambassador1022 ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 09:18:28

Yeah but his proof ISN'T wrong Randy. That is the entire point I am trying to make.
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ByzantineChristian ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 08:52:06

Thank you for posting this answer dude. 5/5
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ByzantineChristian ::: Favorites  2008-01-07 08:51:12

Priceless.......
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partilov1 ::: Favorites  2008-01-06 23:50:16

oh my bad i didn't read the bottom
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